Moderation of phpLD Forum Clearly Not Impartial

[dvduval]

It seems the primary moderator of the phpLD forum here on Directory Owners is MGS. If people will have a look at his replies to phpLD related topics, it is quite obvious he has some issues with phpLD. That's fine. He's just a person with an opinion.

But as far as him acting as the primary moderator of this forum, it seems very unusual. He even has a signature link to another directory script. Combine that with his responses here in this forum, and we have an obvious lack of impartiality. Once again, that is something the owners of this forum are entitled to do, but it is well worth noting that the very forum here on Directory Owners that is supposed to provide information about phpLD serves a secondary purpose of providing negative information about phpLD.

In addition the replies from the moderator, versus the average person varies widely. A great example of this would be this post.

I invite anyone to take a look at the replies in this forum by MGS about phpLD, and clearly there is a pattern.

[MGS]

Originally Posted by dvduval

It seems the primary moderator of the phpLD forum here on Directory Owners is MGS. If people will have a look at his replies to phpLD related topics, it is quite obvious he has some issues with phpLD. That's fine. He's just a person with an opinion.

But as far as him acting as the primary moderator of this forum, it seems very unusual. He even has a signature link to another directory script. Combine that with his responses here in this forum, and we have an obvious lack of impartiality. Once again, that is something the owners of this forum are entitled to do, but it is well worth noting that the very forum here on Directory Owners that is supposed to provide information about phpLD serves a secondary purpose of providing negative information about phpLD.

In addition the replies from the moderator, versus the average person varies widely. A great example of this would be this post.

I invite anyone to take a look at the replies in this forum by MGS about phpLD, and clearly there is a pattern.

Shut up whining David, one thing I AM is impartial, I have nothing against your script or you for that matter, althugh I stopped respecting you when you sent me p.m's trying to get me to change threads as they weren't running your way. But, and this is a BIG but! I will NEVER discredit your script if you are honest about it and honest about its deficits as well as merits.

You've been too used to people dancing to your tune David, and when they don't you run away crying like a baby, you did it on DP and I see you doing it here. Sorry but I ain't dancing to your tune unless you start being honest.

The post you refer to asked if it was easy to upgrade your script, you claimed that after two posts the general consensus was that it is! I picked up on that by simply saying it is only easy if you know how. What's wrong with that?

I've given more tips to owners of your script than I care to imagine and also done installs for them but don't care to boast about it.

As for my signature, phpLynx helped me right from the beginning with sponsorship so I feel I owe it to them to support them with a link, I'll link with who the hell I like okay.
Just to get it out in the open, I'm no more bias to your script than I am esyndicat, phplynx or any other one, in fact the opposite where both Tom and me have slated esyndicat. I hate bidding scripts and make that clear but in an honest way.

Be honest and accept honest critique and all will be well in the world, stop being such a baby and learn to take honest critisism on the chin like everyone else.

Have a good un!

-MGS-

[dvduval]

As I said, your posts speak for themselves. You say yourself that you stopped respecting me, so clearly your impartiality ends when talking to me. I have nothing against you, though clearly the reverse is not true. I am not trying to win some big running argument, but clearly the reverse is not true.

You really should think about getting a moderator in the phpLD forum. There are plenty of people that would take on the task. If you need help finding one, let me know. This move would support the notion that you do indeed attempt to be impartial, as you so claim to be.

[MGS]

Originally Posted by dvduval

As I said, your posts speak for themselves. You say yourself that you stopped respecting me, so clearly your impartiality ends when talking to me. I have nothing against you, though clearly the reverse is not true. I am not trying to win some big running argument, but clearly the reverse is not true.

You really should think about getting a moderator in the phpLD forum. There are plenty of people that would take on the task. If you need help finding one, let me know. This move would support the notion that you do indeed attempt to be impartial, as you so claim to be.

Tell me one post abut anything moreso phpld that is innacurate and I'll answer to it, other than that don't expect me to bow to you as I won't. That doesn't mean I won't moderate the phpld forum fairly because I will but I won't lie to anyone regardless of you crying foul everytime someone comments on something contra indicitave of what you want them to say.

Also as you'd like to make it out that there's an argument, I'll remind you that it takes two to argue, you claim you aren't so there can't be an argument!

-MGS-

[dvduval]

This is in response to the above post and also this one
Interview with David DuVal Owner of PHP link directory

That's a shame as I had some pretty hard questions for you to answer, but I doubt you would have had the balls to answer them anyway. Wha'ts this bullshit "Until you have a person who currently uses phpLD, and likes the script..." Why is that? you want people to lie for you? I've only posted the truth and FACT.

It's your choice if you want to come here and if you post promoting your script honestly, and without mileading people you won't even get a comment out of me, but if you don't then I damn well will comment as I won't be shut out like your croney's do to everyone on DP.

This place IS impartial, if phplynx made BS claims I'd jump on them as well, but they don't so I can't. Esyndicat did, I jumped on them, i've done it for every script that has 'Expanded on the truth'. Now learn to deal with the fact that people won't always agree with you, if I say anything innacurate then I'm the first to admit it. you tell me WHERE on this forum I've done so?

Happy new year.

Ok, then. You obviously have a good understanding of the truth that you know you possess, and clearly a logical discussion would not play a role here.

Using words like "cronies", "bullshit", and "misleading" among others, your concept of truth is quite hardened and set whether you are willing to admit it or not.

So far as promoting phpLD, I really don't need to do that anymore. People do it for me everyday, because they like the script, and it speaks for itself. Just like any other script, it is not perfect, but there are many people who use it and like it, and this has nothing to do with anything I told them, and everything to do with what they discovered for themselves.

If you truly want to have an impartial forum, you will include moderators with differing views than your own (including for other scripts like esyndicat and phpLB too). You have failed to do that up to this point.

[MGS]

Originally Posted by dvduval

This is in response to the above post and also this one
Interview with David DuVal Owner of PHP link directory


Ok, then. You obviously have a good understanding of the truth that you know you possess, and clearly a logical discussion would not play a role here.

Using words like "cronies", "bullshit", and "misleading" among others, your concept of truth is quite hardened and set whether you are willing to admit it or not.

So far as promoting phpLD, I really don't need to do that anymore. People do it for me everyday, because they like the script, and it speaks for itself. Just like any other script, it is not perfect, but there are many people who use it and like it, and this has nothing to do with anything I told them, and everything to do with what they discovered for themselves.

If you truly want to have an impartial forum, you will include moderators with differing views than your own (including for other scripts like esyndicat and phpLB too). You have failed to do that up to this point.

I deleted the other reply you gave as it was a dupe, sure you won't mind on that.


Here's my logical discussion which btw I know more than you can imagine, where I come from in England we're taught not to accept bullshit, and we aren't afraid to call people on it, my view is that its better than sneaking on p.m's like you do or have done in the past then coming on forums trying to be the angel gabriel, you get my drift on that one I'm sure.

I do know and tell the truth as I see it, the fact you haven't picked me up on anything is testimony to that. You just said exactly what I am dead against, you sit on your complacent butt doing virtually nothing while others, mostly from third world countries do all your work for you for little or no reward under misguided loyalty, or do you promise them a slice of the pie? On that note someone very close to you asked me to ask this one, so I will. 'Do you put in hard contract that the developers and the like get a part of phpld and any profits or is it just your word?' It's this abuse that will be your downfall I'm pretty sure of that.

Try not to sound too patronizing in yor replies though as your post above really does come across that way, so just like my honesty, your patronising and condescending fashion is as bad.

You make money of people's backs like what was it someone on DP said once, a 'Cult Leader', yep that's it. look at what happens to most of them. Your script is okay but that its' okay, nothing more, btw, what happened to that hack reported two days ago? You suppressed that one qickly! don't muddy the waters by comparing yourself with other scripts, address the issues with yours, that way I'll be conscise and to the point.

So to end this saga on a nice note without any bloodshed, let me ask some impartial and genuine questions not just as a user of this forum as an ex phpld user, (yes I did pay for a copy).

As for moderators on each section, you get enough users over here to warrant it and I'm sure we'll look into that, after all the one thing I definately want is impartiallity but without the BS. If it wasn't on here I'd be on a blog or something telling the truth on the way directories are run and that would be a heck of a lot more damaging as I'd get free reign, so work with me on here would be the better way.

Have a wonderful new year, and look after those that look after you not just say you are.

-MGS-

[dvduval]

You've made some generalizations about the way I do business that just aren't true. FYI, the person who has put the most work into phpLD this year (not including me) is from the United States, and just sent me a note letting me know how happy he is with our arrangement, and plans to work throughout 2008 and beyond. In addition, the other programmers that work for phpLD have been with me for 2 or more years, and are happy with what they make (and I ask them frequently), and have received raises on a consistent basis. These other programmers are from Europe, and their countries have come a long way since phpLD started, and are surely not 3rd World countries. Personally, I work around 50 hours per week.

You are making generalizations that are just not true (but hopefully your intent is constructive criticism). Do you call that impartial?

As for your comment about suppressing security issues, if one were found (and there has not been a single major exploit since the script began), the most important thing would be to discover it quickly and do something about it. If one were found, the most responsible thing to do would be to notify the script developers (ex. any script not just phpLD). Posting information about an exploit publicly on a forum like this could cause harm to many people, and surely you would not want that, right?

So if you were suggesting that I would have a policy of suppressing an exploit until a fix was issued, you are 100% correct.

To me, it looks like you are searching for negative things to say, and then making assumptions that are far from impartial. I don't get exactly where you are going with this, but I hope your intentions are to be helpful toward others. I don't mind criticism when it is constructive, and can lead to the improvement of others.

I might add that I have tried to give you honest answers to the concerns you expressed, and am not seeking to somehow out debate you, or win some argument. I am simply pointing out that I hope you will explore your own idea about what is impartial. And I hope you will see, I examined carefully what you said, and gave you considerate answers.

[Bruceper]

If you were a mod on my forum I would ban you.

I wouldn't put up with any of my mods calling a visitor (never mind a potential sponsor) a whining baby and bashing.

The first thing that would happen is you wouldn't be a moderator and then you'd receive a warning. The next time you did the same type of posting you would get a tempban, and the next time would be a perm ban.

Then of course you threaten the member saying

If it wasn't on here I'd be on a blog or something telling the truth on the way directories are run and that would be a heck of a lot more damaging as I'd get free reign, so work with me on here would be the better way.

That sounds like you saying "stop bitching about me or I'll try and make it worse for you"

How old are you really? Because you're acting like you're a spoiled 14 year old who isn't getting his way and is busy taking a power trip.

This isn't about what script anyone is using anymore. It's about bad moderators and poor ownership if it is allowed to continue.

[TC]

Just my two cents here..not that it matters really but since I was drug into this via a PM and a statement made in one of the posts about "poor ownership"......

This site has pretty much been on "autopilot" for the last 6mos. I removed myself from it intentionally as I have no respect, time, nor patience for the directory "industry" any more...and that includes this site. The site itself has been for sale and is still for sale until a buyer is found or I pull the plug on it. Either way...I don't care. My money and time wasted..but what the hell...it's just money and the dollar sucks these days anyway.

The sites motto was and still is....about fairness and individuality...essentially meaning that the censorship and buddy system that took place at DP was not found here on this site...at least not under my watch. I don't doubt for a second that MGS has his favorite directory script and is biased toward it...just like others are of their favorites scripts. That doesn't mean that I am going to ban him or censor his post any more/less than I would someone else's. However, since MGS was the original owner of this site and then a Mod after selling...some people seem to think that he can get away with saying things because of that.

Folks...you are mistaken. He can say what he likes just like YOU can. Since there seems to be an issue with him being a Mod...he is now a regular user just like everyone else. There are no Mods here other than me and it will remain that way until the site sells or I pull the plug on the site. If you guys want to argue or discuss one script vs another...go for it. That was one of the reasons this site was founded.

If you don't like it here...there are numerous other Directory Forums these days and they all accept new members and I promise you, the same ones that are here are there too. Such as the little world of directory ownership and corruption. Lol

To sum it up....do or say what you want about whatever script you want. I DON"T care and have better things to do than read or reply to directory related shit anymore. It's so insignificant and a such waste of time......ironically, just like directories!

Happy New Year.
tom

My Signature: ALL DIRECTORIES and DIRECTORY SCRIPTS SUCK! Question is..which ones suck the least?

[dvduval]

Directories went through a pretty rough adolescent phase in 2006-7. Phrases like "QBC" were coined. Fortunately, that time is now passing. I can understand how you would have gotten a bad taste about certain elements of the directory industry.

This is nothing new. There was a time when forums about everything under the sun were cropping up, with paid posters, and made for adsense forums. Blogs had their share of comment spamming, auto-posting, etc.

One of the reason we did not release a new version of phpLD for the last 6 months was we were trying to figure just what to do to help improve quality. You will soon see a new version of phpLD, and I also hope you will see the directory industry becoming more mature, just as we have seen happen with forums and blogs.

I really have no personal issues with MGS, and I do hope that he will not take this personally either. I hope he will be a little more considerate of the opinions of others, and I hope he will also see that I tried to be considerate of his concerns as well.