Moderation of phpLD Forum Clearly Not Impartial

[rainchild]

Originally Posted by TC

To sum it up....do or say what you want about whatever script you want. I DON"T care and have better things to do than read or reply to directory related shit anymore. It's so insignificant and a such waste of time......ironically, just like directories!

Happy New Year.
tom

Think I will just wait for the domain to become available and for people to forget the baggage that comes with it. What a silly post

[TC]

Originally Posted by rainchild

Think I will just wait for the domain to become available and for people to forget the baggage that comes with it. What a silly post

You'll be waiting a while.

"Silly post"...maybe, but of course I could say the same about many of your posts as well but I have not. I just stated the way I feel about this site, directories and dir scripts as a whole...to re-iterate in case you didn't catch it the first time....A WASTE of time!

[rainchild]

With attitude like that you are the one thats wasting everyones time. Maybe you do have better things to do but if thats the case close down. Its people that make the difference. And you have become part of the problem. Thats what sucks.

[MGS]

[quote=dvduval;18742]

You've made some generalizations about the way I do business that just aren't true. FYI, the person who has put the most work into phpLD this year (not including me) is from the United States, and just sent me a note letting me know how happy he is with our arrangement, and plans to work throughout 2008 and beyond. In addition, the other programmers that work for phpLD have been with me for 2 or more years, and are happy with what they make (and I ask them frequently), and have received raises on a consistent basis. These other programmers are from Europe, and their countries have come a long way since phpLD started, and are surely not 3rd World countries. Personally, I work around 50 hours per week.

I'm on yor forum every day of the week, know more people than you would even imagine, I asked and will ask again, 'DO YOU GIVE THEM A PIECE OF PHPLD' I only make that reference after some e-mails were sent to me.

You are making generalizations that are just not true (but hopefully your intent is constructive criticism). Do you call that impartial?

Yes I am impartial, my desire to know the truth is impartial, the fact you keep mentioning impariality is in your own mind.

As for your comment about suppressing security issues, if one were found (and there has not been a single major exploit since the script began), the most important thing would be to discover it quickly and do something about it. If one were found, the most responsible thing to do would be to notify the script developers (ex. any script not just phpLD). Posting information about an exploit publicly on a forum like this could cause harm to many people, and surely you would not want that, right?

Have to agree with the security one, great answer, but why not post a reply to those of us who paid for support and the right to know. A hacker did one of the phpld sites in three or four days ago, the owner posted here and you still haven't answered why, what, when or where, let alone a fix if needed.

So if you were suggesting that I would have a policy of suppressing an exploit until a fix was issued, you are 100% correct.

So are you saying a fix for a hack is needed?

To me, it looks like you are searching for negative things to say, and then making assumptions that are far from impartial. I don't get exactly where you are going with this, but I hope your intentions are to be helpful toward others. I don't mind criticism when it is constructive, and can lead to the improvement of others.

Far from it, I only search for the truth David, you hate critisism btw.

I might add that I have tried to give you honest answers to the concerns you expressed, and am not seeking to somehow out debate you, or win some argument. I am simply pointing out that I hope you will explore your own idea about what is impartial. And I hope you will see, I examined carefully what you said, and gave you considerate answers.

Come on now, you ain't gonna admit to being a liar are you? I have read and re-read both our posts and regardless of what you've said, I have been 100% impartial but brutally honest.

-MGS-

[MGS]

Originally Posted by Bruceper

If you were a mod on my forum I would ban you.

I wouldn't put up with any of my mods calling a visitor (never mind a potential sponsor) a whining baby and bashing..

Why not? David does act like a baby on times, but bash him? Hell no, I've been perfectly decent with him, honest and to the point and even though he doesn't like the truth you can't say I bashed him. David is just an ordinary guy to me, no-one special, he is my equal no better, I don't lie, so he shouldn't lie. I don't condescend so he shouldn't, I don't patronise, so he shouldn't, not much to ask is it.

-MGS-

[dvduval]

I'm on yor forum every day of the week, know more people than you would even imagine, I asked and will ask again, 'DO YOU GIVE THEM A PIECE OF PHPLD' I only make that reference after some e-mails were sent to me.

Well, we certainly haven't grown large enough to offer stock in the company. As I told you, the people that work for phpLD are happy. There are many others that have reasons for being part of phpLD that have done quite well for themselves without being employed by phpLD, from mod creators, to template designers, to directory owners.

Yes I am impartial, my desire to know the truth is impartial, the fact you keep mentioning impariality is in your own mind.

Yes, but through your desire to know the truth, you made generalizations that were far from true.

Have to agree with the security one, great answer, but why not post a reply to those of us who paid for support and the right to know. A hacker did one of the phpld sites in three or four days ago, the owner posted here and you still haven't answered why, what, when or where, let alone a fix if needed.

Thank you. And this forum is not the place for phpLD support (at least not from phpLD staff). We've helped lots of people for free that were hacked for other reasons outside of the scope of phpLD. That is why I asked them to post on the phpLD forums. If you want to offer support to them here, then I suggest you get cracking on it.

Far from it, I only search for the truth David, you hate critisism btw.

Then you seem quite lost. As TC expressed, "I don't doubt for a second that MGS has his favorite directory script and is biased toward it". And as Bruceper expressed, "How old are you really? Because you're acting like you're a spoiled 14 year old who isn't getting his way and is busy taking a power trip." Unlike yourself, I answered the challenging questions that were given to me (though now this is really getting to be a waste of time). Now it is time you better examined the criticisms made about you.

Come on now, you ain't gonna admit to being a liar are you? I have read and re-read both our posts and regardless of what you've said, I have been 100% impartial but brutally honest.

No, I feel the scope of our debate has not involved issues of honesty on my part. My point of view differs from yours, and that is where the bias that TC even said you had has creeped in and not allowed you to be understanding of the viewpoints of others.

Again, I really don't want to cause you any bad feelings. That is not my intention. I think we have made a lot of progress in helping discover the meaning of this forum, and maybe there is still a chance to turn it around, and make it a good resource for directory owners. You have made a lot of posts here, and I'm sure you did a lot of good here. This forum need not be all about phpLD. But I do truly hope you will think about some of the criticisms you received also, and try to think hard about what could be done to revive this forum in a positive way. We got off on a bad note. I truly am sorry if I offended you, but I do mean it when I say that I hope we can turn things around both for this forum as well as my relationship with you.

[rainchild]

Originally Posted by dvduval

Again, I really don't want to cause you any bad feelings. That is not my intention. I think we have made a lot of progress in helping discover the meaning of this forum, and maybe there is still a chance to turn it around, and make it a good resource for directory owners. You have made a lot of posts here, and I'm sure you did a lot of good here. This forum need not be all about phpLD. But I do truly hope you will think about some of the criticisms you received also, and try to think hard about what could be done to revive this forum in a positive way.

Its going to be a real pisser if this forum goes belly up as well. This industry needs leadership and a direction it hasn't got right now. Its a challenge and an opportunity. Why is phpld offering bidding directory scripts? Dont like that one?

[dvduval]

Originally Posted by rainchild

Its going to be a real pisser if this forum goes belly up as well. This industry needs leadership and a direction it hasn't got right now. Its a challenge and an opportunity. Why is phpld offering bidding directory scripts? Dont like that one?

Well, maybe this thread will lead to some positive changes that will result in it continuing on. I hope so.

Yes, phpLD does offer a bidding version (ex. Directory demo only), but it is not something we have pushed, as I had my doubts this model was going to be a good one. After Matt Cutts finally commented on them, I'm glad we did not market them. I still think there are certain situations where bidding for position might be good, but when it becomes all about buying and selling pagerank, that tends to lead to trouble sooner or later. And fortunately, Matt has repeatedly affirmed that charging for the review process is okay, so long there is some quality control in the mix.

[rainchild]

Bidding directories are a bad idea period. Is that the sort product you want on the market? Is that the sort of product you want to be associated with? It would make a powerful statement if you killed it.

But personally I dont think you guys would ever risk rubbing the Culture Club up the wrong way.

[dvduval]

Originally Posted by rainchild

Bidding directories are a bad idea period. Is that the sort product you want on the market? Is that the sort of product you want to be associated with? It would make a powerful statement if you killed it.

But personally I dont think you guys would ever risk rubbing the Culture Club up the wrong way.

You are right. It would surely ruffle a few feathers if we killed it. What we did so far was palyaround with the model a bit. We added something called Depreciating Bids, and also Expiring Bids, so that bidding would be for limited time advertising, rather than bidding for pagerank, as we saw all too often. Granted, these features don't have to be turned on, but I do want to give the model some time to improve, because it might. For example, imagine if it became something more like Adwords.